[[lug] DSL, static IPs and the hunt for red october.]

[Jim Romary]

I think there is some confusion between address space and name space.
Registering domains has nothing to do with the acquisition of address
space. No individual may go to a regional IP registry (ARIN in our
case, used to be NetSol) to obtain addresses. A long time ago this
was possible, and indeed, encouraged. One result of the allocation
of /24 addresses to individuals was the fracturing of network
address space that became impossible to aggregate for CIDR purposes.
These legacy addresses are part of "The Swamp". Providers must pay
regional registries fees to obtain addresses for their customers, and
need to SWIP assigned and allocated addresses in order to obtain new
blocks. There is nothing untoward in in charging for addresses.

Domains have nothing to do with IP address acquisition. They never
have. One may populate a domain with legacy or new Resource Records
that use IP addresses, and one may announce routes for IP address
space space to go to the machines referenced by the RR, but there
is not the slightest logical or physical correspondance between IP
addresses and domains. A domain may contain RR that point to IP
addresses all over the world. 

There is no "usual charge" of $35/yr for addresses. Domains, perhaps,
but this only if one uses NetSol as the registrar. Other registrars
charge less than $35/yr for _domain_ registration. None of the domain
registries assign or allocate address space. 




|I was referring to earlier discussion in which people were telling of
|paying
|$15 / yr. (or maybe mo.) for 5 IP@'s, above & beyond any "usual" ISP
|provided services. This amounts to $768 per 256 (a class-C block),
|the usual charge for which is $35 / yr. Hence, ((768 / 35) * 100) ->
|2194.2857%,
|minus 100% -> ~2,094% markup above & beyond the usual & customary
|retail service charge of $35. The rates you mention below, $15/mo for 8,
|amount to  $760 / yr. , which, by the same calculation relative to the
|U&C fannual fee of ($35 / 256) / yr. , amounts to 576,000% of the U&C
|annual
|rental fee above & beyond any other ISP services.Multi-thousand percent
|markups, in the same sense as one with $2,000,000 is called a
|multimillionaire
|(generally, not us, but ISP stockholders). Hence, your comments are, as you
|
| intimate below, (inimitably) superfluous.
|
|Sean Reifschneider wrote:
|
|> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 04:21:51PM -0600, Duke Smith wrote:
|> >I respectfully disagree: the ISP's do have a choice, they could act
|> >in good conscience. They do have a choice not to gouge people
|> >with multi-thousand percent markups. A smack dealer in New York
|>
|> Multi-thousand percent markups?!?  You obviously have a very different
|> view of ISPs than I do.  The ISP market is a commodity market, I can't
|> think of anything an ISP does that has even a single 10x markup.  ISPs
|> don't get IPs for free, and when you add the management of the IP
|> network on top of that I would be suprised if there were even a 2x
|> markup in IPs most providers offer.  With allocation, management,
|> routing, reverse DNS, it's hardly free.
|>
|> $5/month for a static IP or $15/month for a block of 8 I don't see as
|> being that unreasonable.  My problem with USWest was that they would
|> only sell blocks of 8, which meant for 12 addresses I had to get 3
|> blocks (5 usable per block).
|>
|> Sean
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