[lug] Big Brother taking over!

Michael Deck deckm at cleansoft.com
Mon Apr 30 11:04:42 MDT 2001 

At 10:47 AM 4/30/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Don't most common EULAs say this same thing.
>I've been web hosting a domain for almost a year now on two different
>services
>that had that in their aggreement and neither did anything about it.
>(Esp. since I put in ipchains rules)
>
>Is yours a commercial website?
>Does their commercial agreement say that as well?
>What makes it commercial then?

I am pretty careful about reading contracts (including acceptable use/EULA 
agreements) before signing them. I prefer not to enter into an agreement 
that I know I'm going to breach, since that can have bad side effects.

It seems like the ability to serve web is often the difference between a 
'residential' and a 'commercial' service (for which you pay extra bux)My 
experience with ISP's is that, if you pay for residential and then try to 
get them to do interesting things with domain names, they will either (a) 
figger out you're running a host or (b) require hours of handholding 
through the DNS incantations. So it's worth my time to find an ISP that 
actually understands and appreciates what I'm doing here. All of my prior 
ISPs have had EULAs that did not prohibit web servers.

The web site is my company's 'alternate' web site www.cleansoft.net. I have 
my 'primary' web site (www.cleansoft.com) commercially hosted for better 
throughput and less downtime. But most hosts don't like to have you running 
a listserv on their machine (as I do on cleansoft.net, for two community 
organizations) so I maintain cleansoft.net for that purpose and also as my 
playground for new technologies.

It is, by any definition, 'commercial' since its primary purpose is to 
advertise my company's products and services.

The quote was lifted from the Sprint 'commercial' agreement. I have not 
looked at their residential agreement.

-Mike

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Deck [mailto:deckm at cleansoft.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:40 AM
> > To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> > Subject: RE: [lug] Big Brother taking over!
> >
> >
> > At 09:13 AM 4/30/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >is DSL necessary for some reason?
> > >
> > >checkout www.sprintbroadband.com
> > >It is a RadioFrequency (2.4ghz range, is that still
> > considered RF?) wireless
> > >technology that is available throughout the denver metro++
> > area that costs
> > >(after pricey setup fees) $45/mo.
> > >
> > >I've seen their unique diamond shaped 'dishes' all the way from north
> > >longmont down to southern highlands ranch.
> > >
> > >I believe the garaunteed bandwidth is something like 256kbs
> > up and 512kbs
> > >down (with download ranging up to 5mbs). I've heard the
> > variation comes from
> > >their overall bandwidth usage. Since it is RF, I don't
> > believe you are
> > >sharing quite like with a cable modem, but one person at
> > work hear thought
> > >there may be something going on with the 'sharing' of frequencies.
> > >
> > >They offer commercial services as well but the website
> > doesn't offer much
> > >explaination about what that gives you.
> >
> > Does anyone actually have experience with Sprint's commercial
> > service? I am
> > pretty unhappy with my IDSL service (144K) and was interested
> > in broadband
> > wireless but, looking at Sprint's acceptable use policy for
> > the commercial
> > service it says you may not
> >
> > 1.1.21. run programs or servers that provide network services
> > to others
> > through the Services
> >                     which includes, but is not limited to,
> > web hosting,
> > multi-user interactive forums, game servers,
> >                     operating an internal
> > mail/http/ftp/irc/dhcp server to
> > serve external connections or support
> >                     multi-user interactive forums;
> >
> > This pretty much cuts me out. Also they say that 512 down is
> > 'typical'
> > which feels like euphemism.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > >I don't have it yet but plan on it soon, since I live in
> > Longmont and plan
> > >to move to Erie. Two places with no broadband access other
> > than this, and
> > >none expected for years.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Deva Samartha [mailto:blug-receive at mtbwr.net]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:48 PM
> > > > To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> > > > Subject: [lug] Big Brother taking over!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just after I reflected my QWEST DSL service in comparison to
> > > > Northpoint and
> > > > other failed ventures, I ran across this:
> > > >
> > > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/30/0010244.shtml
> > > >
> > > > which points to:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/msn042701.htm
> > > >
> > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010426/tc/tech_microsoft_qwe
> > > > st_dc_1.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks as if they will be pushing M$oft TV down the pipe and I
> > > > bet they will
> > > > retard everything else but their services if they get it
> > up anyway.
> > > >
> > > > It looks as if QWEST.net's is being replaced by MSN and if
> > > > one does not
> > > > like the switch - hit the road again.
> > > >
> > > > are there any alternatives out there servicing Longmont?
> > > >
> > > > currently, I am paying $ 85 for a 600 k ADSL with 8 static
> > > > IP's, DSN is
> > > > funky at times with QWEST but otherwise i have no complaints.
> > > >
> > > > Earthlink wants $ 120 for 144 k ADSL and doesn't even service
> > > > Longmont.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What a pain!
> > > >
> > > > Samartha
> > > >
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> > Michael Deck
> > Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
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Michael Deck
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