[lug] Camera recommendations

Jeffrey Haemer jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com
Fri Dec 12 08:46:02 MST 2008


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From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist at perl.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:24 AM
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To: Jeffrey Haemer <jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com>


Thanks for having me last night.  I think folks were happy with event,
but I also feel that I did a poor job at answering simple questions.
Last night was my first 6h+ night of sleep since Sunday night;
that probably didn't help, and I should hvae done better)

I don't think that the fellow who wanted to know what to buy for just
$200-300 was happy that I told him that in that price range, any camera
he gets is going to be able to take decent 4x6' snapshots in daylight,
or inside only with flash.

I think that the most important question asked because it came from the
person who both knew the least and most needed an answer for practical
reasons of an imminent purchase.

This letter fixes that; I answer his question in simple terms. I'd would
appreciate your forwarding it to the BLUG list, w/ my email-address intact.
Don't know why I can't subscribe. I'll try supplying better answers to the
rest of the poorly answered questions this weekend.

The New York times on Monday reviewed the best small cameras that went for
less than $300.  They did not look at SLRs (eg, if you subtract the lens
price, the Nikon D40 is $100-$200, but that doesn't get counted in.)


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/technology/personaltech/11pogue.html?pagewanted=2&em

The three he chose I summarize below.  I'd get the Fuji for indoor, the
Canon
for outdoor.

   Make                    Canon           Panasonic       Fujifilm
   Model                   SD880 IS        Lumix DMC-FX37  FinePix F60fd
   ----------------------  -------------   -------------   -------------
   Price                   $264.02         $293.72         $239.20
   Max resolution          3648 x 2736     3648 x 2736     4000 x 3000
   Pixel density           35 MP/cm²       36 MP/cm²       25 MP/cm²
   Max resolution          3648 x 2736     3648 x 2736     4000 x 3000
   Effective pixels        10.0 million    10.1 million    12.0 million
   Image ratio w:h         4:3, 3:2        4:3, 3:2, 16:9  4:3, 3:2
   Zoom wide (W)           28-112 mm       25-125 mm       35-105 mm
   Aperture range          F2.8 - F5.8     F2.8 - F5.9     F2.8 - F5.1
   Flash range             13'             20'             14'
   LCD                     3" @ 230k       2.5" @ 230k     3" @ 230k
   Weight w/batteries      6.9 oz          5.2 oz          7.2 oz
   Dimensions              3.7x2.2x0.9"    3.7x2x0.9"      3.7x2.3x0.9"

Pixel density and lens are the best indicators of quality: you want
a low pixel density.  I also note are all very slow at the far zoom.

That's from


http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_sd880is%2Cpanasonic_dmcfx37%2Cfuji_finepixf60fd&show=all

They've recently reviewed the top Budget Cameras at

   http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408budgetgroup/

and the top "Slim Ultra-Compacts" here:

   http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408slimgroup/

After you that, you start getting into the compact range of fixed lens
cameras, which as expensive, and sometimes worse, than an SLR proper.
However, they do have their own benefits (easy to carry like Brent did,
good depth of field, don't attract thieves), although ease-of-use and good
pixel density aren't amongst them.  All take an external flash possibility.
I'd get the last for indoor work, the first for outdoor.

   Make                    Canon           Nikon           Panasonic
   Model                   PowerShot G10   Coolpix P6000   Lumix DMC-LX3
   ----------------------  -------------   -------------   -------------
   Price                   $450.42         $439.49         $442.16
   Pixel density           34 MP/cm²       33 MP/cm²       24 MP/cm²
   Max resolution          4416 x 3312     4224 x 3168     3648 x 2736
   Effective pixels        14.7 million    13.5 million    10.1 million
   Image ratio w:h         4:3, 3:2, 16:9  4:3, 3:2, 16:9  16:9, 4:3, 3:2
   Lens 35mm equiv         28-140 mm       28-112          24-60
   Lens aperture range     F2.8 - F4.5     F2.7 - F5.9     F2.0 - F2.8
   Flash range             15'             26'             27'
   LCD                     3" / 460k       2.7" / 230k     3" / 460k
   Weight w/batteries      13.8 oz         9.9 oz          9.3 oz
   Dimensions              4.3x3.1x1.8"    4.2x2.6x1.7"    4.3x2.4x1.1"
   Extras                  ----            Built-in GPS    Wide-angle
sensor,
                                                           fast lens (low
light')
That was found at:


http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_g10%2Cnikon_cpp6000%2Cpanasonic_dmclx3&show=all

Here are Nikon SLRs, arranged from best pixel denity to "worst", but note
the incredibly different pixel densities from what you see above:

   Model Sensor  MegaP at Density   weight  volume  ISOs
Bucks

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
   D3    864mm²  12.1 at 1.4MP/cm²  45.9oz  137in³  200 - 6400 (L0,H1,H2)
 $4600
   D700  864mm²  12.1 at 1.4MP/cm²  37.9oz   84in³  200 - 6400 (L0,H1,H2)
 $2652
   D40   367mm²   6.0 at 1.6MP/cm²  18.4oz   45in³  200 - 1600 (H1)
 $~200
   D60   372mm²  10.2 at 2.7MP/cm²  18.4oz   46in³  100 - 1600 (H1)        $
430
   D3X   861mm²  24.5 at 2.8MP/cm²  44.4oz  137in³  100 - 1600 (L0,H1)
$8000
   D300  372mm²  12.3 at 3.3MP/cm²  32.6oz   76in³  200 - 3200 (L0,H1)
$1556
   D90   372mm²  12.3 at 3.3MP/cm²  24.8oz   64in³  200 - 3200 (H1)        $
952

Here's a variety of models, all fixed-lens.  Pixel density is bad, like
all fixed lens camerass.  The Leica is the same as the Panny Lumix DMC-
FX37 at its 24 MP/cm²; only the Fuji is better, and all others are worse,
some much worse.

   Model                   MegaP at P-Pitch  ISO Lens-eqv F/stops  Bucks
   --------------------------------------------------------------------
   Fujifilm FinePix S100fs    11.1 at 2.29µ   64  28-400  F2.8/5.3 $693
   Leica D-LUX 4              10.1 at 2.16µ   80  24-60   F2.0/2.8 $849
   Fujifilm FinePix S9100      9.1 at 2.23µ   80  28-300  F2.8/4.9 $799
   Samsung L210               10.2 at 1.87µ   80  37-111           $135
   Kodak C1013                10.3 at 1.69µ   80  34-102           $130
   Fujifilm Z20fd             10.0 at 1.69µ   64  35-105           $130
   Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ28   10.1 at 1.67µ  100  27-486  F2.8/4.4 $303
   Nikon Coolpix P80          10.1 at 1.67µ   64  27-486  F2.8/4.0 $318
   Olympus SP-570UZ           10.0 at 1.67µ   50  26-520  F2.8/4.5 $419
   Olympus SP-565UZ           10.0 at 1.67µ   64  26-520  F2.8/4.5 $344
   Kodak EasyShare Z1015 IS   10.0 at 1.67µ   80  28-420  F3.5/5.4 $257
   Fujifilm FinePix S8100fd   10.0 at 1.67µ   64  27-486  F2.8/4.5 $307
   Fujifilm FinePix S2000HD   10.0 at 1.67µ   64  28-414  F3.5/5.4 $253
   Fujifilm FinePix S6000fd    6.1 at 2.66µ  100  28-300  F2.8/4.9 $500
   Casio Exilim EX-FH20        9.1 at 1.75µ   64  26-520  F2.8/4.5 $707
   Panasonic LZ8               8.1 at 1.87µ  100  32-160           $120
   Olympus SP-560 UZ           8.0 at 1.87µ   50  27-486  F2.8/4.5 $322
   Nikon L18                   8.0 at 1.87µ   64  35-105           $112
   Canon A590 IS               8.0 at 1.87µ   80  35-140           $130
   Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ18    8.0 at 1.76µ  100  28-504  F2.8/3.1 $475
   Fujifilm FinePix S8000fd    8.0 at 1.74µ  100  27-486  F2.8/4.5 $304
   Olympus FE-360              8.0 at 1.73µ   80  36-108           $114
   Sony W120                   7.2 at 1.87µ  100  32-128           $148
   Olympus SP-550 UZ           7.1 at 1.87µ   80  28-504  F2.8/4.5 $328
   Canon A470                  7.1 at 1.87µ  100  38-132           $104

And here is a comparison just on MP*microns from the very fine:

   From
http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summary/

(NB: The Nikon D3X has the same spec on paper as the Sony A900):

   Camera              Megapixels  Pixel Pitch  CSFM
                          (MP)      (microns)  (MP*microns)
   Sony A900             24.6         5.9       145
   Canon 1Ds Mark III    21.1         6.4       135
   Canon 5D Mark II      21.1         6.4       135
   Nikon D3              12.1         8.46      102
   Canon 1D Mark III     10.1         7.2        73
   Canon 50D             15.0         4.7        71
   Nikon D90             12.3         5.5        68
   Canon 1D Mark II       8.2         8.2        67
   Canon 40D             10.1         5.7        57
   Canon 30D              8.2         6.4        52
   Olympus E3            10.0         4.7        47
   Olympus E300           8.0         5.3        42
   Sigma DP1              4.7         7.8        37
   Sigma SD10             3.5         9.0        31
   Canon G10             14.7         1.72       25
   Sony W300             13.4         1.8        24
   Panasonic FZ50        10.0         1.97       19.7
   Fuji F30               6.3         2.67       16.8
   Canon S70              7.1         2.3        16.3
   Panasonic FZ18         8.1         1.76       14.3
   Sony H5                7.2         1.87       13.5
   Canon S3               6.0         2.0        12.0

--tom



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Jeffrey Haemer <jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com>
720-837-8908 [cell]
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