[lug] Breaking braking?

[Jeffrey Haemer]

Here are experimental
data<http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept>,
from Car-and-Driver.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Landon Cox <landon at 360vl.com> wrote:

> The articles I read from IEEE Spectrum answered those questions (I'm
> paraphrasing...):
>
> Neutral was surprisingly difficult to find in the circuitous shift pattern,
> especially when the car is already out of control.   Power brakes are
> powered by the engine but when the engine is wide-open, power is shifted to
> accelerating and no matter how hard you push on the brake, without power
> assist, you can't stop the car.
>
> Here are some good reads on the topic:
>
> IEEE Spectrum: "How hard should it be to stop a runaway luxury car?"
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/blog/computing/it/riskfactor/how-hard-should-it-be-to-stop-a-runaway-car
>
> IEEE Spectrum: "This car runs on code"
> http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/this-car-runs-on-code
>
> Landon
>
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Carl Wagner wrote:
>
>  Something I have wondered about since the Audi issue:
> Can't most, if not all, automotive brakes overcome engine acceleration?
>
> If that is the case, then unless the brakes failed, I don't know how the
> 'cars' could cause the accidents.
>
> And why don't the people have the presence of mind to:
>   1) shift into nutral
>   2) turn the key off
>   3) apply the ebrake
>
> Reading the article, I think all cars should have black boxes, with battery
> backup, and on impact they write all data to flash.  And run Linux!!
> Not government mandated - but for the car makers to CYA, in our litigious
> society.
> It might add 50 cents to the price if a car, if it was integrated into the
> ECM.  (this is a guess, but micro controllers and flash are cheap, and auto
> manufacturers use massive quantities so they would get the best prices).
>
> Note: I am normally against thinks like this as it can lead to invasion of
> privacy, but if people can blame car crashes on the manufacturer, the
> manufacturer needs some way to respond.
>
> Isn't it nice how congress grilled Toyota BEFORE the NHTSA report was
> released!
>
> Carl.
>
>
>
>
> Jeffrey Haemer wrote:
>
> Electronic brake and accelerator controls were the source of a surprising
> (well, to me) amount of discussion at a BLUG meeting, a few months ago,
> after reports of problems with Toyotas.
>
>  Here's a WSJ follow-up on<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html> the
> Toyota reports.
>
>  Me, I've learned that BLUG attracts a lot of car geeks. :-)
>
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