[lug] NetworkManager (nm) survey from developers

[Mike]

Hi Davide,

So, I would definitely send this on up to bugzilla.redhat.com; and create
the entry in NetworkManager component.

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles with nm, and hopefully the bug team can
assist you.

Thanks

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Davide Del Vento <
davide.del.vento at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for sending this out. This was good timing: I've got a new laptop
> and I've been infuriated by some combined "bugs" (really, they are
> misbehaviors) between openssl and nm-applet. I completed the survey (with
> some "grumpiness factor" due to the above).
>
> Now that everything is working, I'd like to report the issues as bugs, and
> I was wondering where is the best place to do that. Google seems to think
> each individual distro is the best, but I rather do that upstream (link
> please). Example of the misbehaviors:
>
> 1) I am given a xxx.p12 file by my network admins, I run the following:
>
> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -nocerts -out privateKey.pem
> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -clcerts -nokeys -out publicCert.pem
> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -cacerts -nokeys -out mynetwork_cacert.pem
>
> Note that openssl is extremely silly (I'll try to report bug to them too,
> but I have no hopes on that side) and will happily do any or all of the
> following:
> - silently overwrite existing files
> - create empty files (e.g. if import password is incorrect)
> - silently create "somewhat broken" files (e.g. if PEM password is not
> provided when creating a private key)
>
> Now nm-applet, instead to trying to help the user to cope with that other
> silly program, it starts a race on silliness, and tries to beat openssl at
> it.
>
> In fact, instead of reporting these problems with errors (heck, you asked
> me to use an empty file? heck, this file is "broken" because of xxx?) it
> just SILENTLY hide them in its file selection GUI, as if those files do
> not exist. This is horrible design, frustrating to the experienced user
> (have I mispelled the extension? maybe it's a cacert and I named it
> incorrectly?) and infuriating for the newbie (am I in the wrong
> directory?). The file selection should allow you to select a file,
> period. An error message dialog should be raised after opening the file,
> and clearly stating WHAT was wrong with the files. Silently not showing
> files which match the displayed extension is utterly broken design and
> completely unacceptable behavior to me (you can feel the frustration, can't
> you?)
>
> I'd like to report this as a bug. Hopefully they will listen (since they
> sent this survey out, they probably care about what their users think)
>
> Thanks for your help with this,
> Davide
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Mike <mikedawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, I hope that list admin's stop me, if I shouldn't post this here. What
>> I have is a survey from devs of NetworkManager (nm) who are looking for
>> some community input into their product.
>>
>> My job often times does various surveys to get peoples reactions, or
>> ideas about various products; and often times use these surveys to help
>> improve products, or where to place various developers.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, there is a survey up now, on nm (NetworkManager)
>> and if you want to include any details about what you're working on, it
>> would be awesome.
>>
>> This survey can be found at: http://goo.gl/forms/UOxObT6iG3
>>
>> Let me know if you are interested in further surveys, or you prefer that
>> I stop spamming this to the BLUG list.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> MikeDawg
>>
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