[lug] NetworkManager (nm) survey from developers

[Davide Del Vento]

Done: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1318384
Thanks

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Mike <mikedawg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Davide,
>
> So, I would definitely send this on up to bugzilla.redhat.com; and create
> the entry in NetworkManager component.
>
> I'm sorry to hear of your troubles with nm, and hopefully the bug team can
> assist you.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Davide Del Vento <
> davide.del.vento at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Thanks for sending this out. This was good timing: I've got a new laptop
>> and I've been infuriated by some combined "bugs" (really, they are
>> misbehaviors) between openssl and nm-applet. I completed the survey (with
>> some "grumpiness factor" due to the above).
>>
>> Now that everything is working, I'd like to report the issues as bugs,
>> and I was wondering where is the best place to do that. Google seems to
>> think each individual distro is the best, but I rather do that upstream
>> (link please). Example of the misbehaviors:
>>
>> 1) I am given a xxx.p12 file by my network admins, I run the following:
>>
>> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -nocerts -out privateKey.pem
>> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -clcerts -nokeys -out publicCert.pem
>> openssl pkcs12 -in xxx.p12 -cacerts -nokeys -out mynetwork_cacert.pem
>>
>> Note that openssl is extremely silly (I'll try to report bug to them too,
>> but I have no hopes on that side) and will happily do any or all of the
>> following:
>> - silently overwrite existing files
>> - create empty files (e.g. if import password is incorrect)
>> - silently create "somewhat broken" files (e.g. if PEM password is not
>> provided when creating a private key)
>>
>> Now nm-applet, instead to trying to help the user to cope with that other
>> silly program, it starts a race on silliness, and tries to beat openssl at
>> it.
>>
>> In fact, instead of reporting these problems with errors (heck, you
>> asked me to use an empty file? heck, this file is "broken" because of xxx?)
>> it just SILENTLY hide them in its file selection GUI, as if those files
>> do not exist. This is horrible design, frustrating to the experienced user
>> (have I mispelled the extension? maybe it's a cacert and I named it
>> incorrectly?) and infuriating for the newbie (am I in the wrong
>> directory?). The file selection should allow you to select a file,
>> period. An error message dialog should be raised after opening the file,
>> and clearly stating WHAT was wrong with the files. Silently not showing
>> files which match the displayed extension is utterly broken design and
>> completely unacceptable behavior to me (you can feel the frustration, can't
>> you?)
>>
>> I'd like to report this as a bug. Hopefully they will listen (since they
>> sent this survey out, they probably care about what their users think)
>>
>> Thanks for your help with this,
>> Davide
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Mike <mikedawg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I hope that list admin's stop me, if I shouldn't post this here.
>>> What I have is a survey from devs of NetworkManager (nm) who are looking
>>> for some community input into their product.
>>>
>>> My job often times does various surveys to get peoples reactions, or
>>> ideas about various products; and often times use these surveys to help
>>> improve products, or where to place various developers.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested, there is a survey up now, on nm
>>> (NetworkManager) and if you want to include any details about what you're
>>> working on, it would be awesome.
>>>
>>> This survey can be found at: http://goo.gl/forms/UOxObT6iG3
>>>
>>> Let me know if you are interested in further surveys, or you prefer that
>>> I stop spamming this to the BLUG list.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> MikeDawg
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
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