[lug] (Virtual) BLUG is ON! Thursday April 9th, 2020 @ 6:30PM (MDT!)

Glenn Murray glenn.murray at gmail.com
Wed Apr 15 19:21:53 MDT 2020 

I am once again grateful that I am not a VI(M) user!

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:08 PM Davide Del Vento <davide.del.vento at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Been there, done that. Unsatisfactory:
> https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/issues/8183
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:33 PM Glenn Murray <glenn.murray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For a Mac terminal, you can install iTerm2 via Homebrew.
>> See https://www.iterm2.com.  It’s Free software, GPL V2.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:41 PM Davide Del Vento <
>> davide.del.vento at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In my entire 25+ year history of using Linux I've not expected anything
>>>> new to me to 'just work' on my first try. I've hoped for it and been
>>>> surprised by it, and sometimes it happens. But, I'm always setting aside
>>>> significant time to learn how to get something working and update, tweak,
>>>> or debug Linux to accommodate it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just to make it clear, the problem is not spending a lot of time. The
>>> irritating thing is that AFTER you spend lots of time and make it to work,
>>> they break it and you have to start again.
>>>
>>>
>>>> While Linux in areas like high performance computing, services and
>>>> embedded devices has definitely succeed over alternatives, the Linux
>>>> desktop marketshare appears to be stalled or shrinking. Other than personal
>>>> politics, I just don't really see any reason to use it. Even in my case,
>>>> most of what i do is now terminal based or browser based and I can't
>>>> identify any GUI apps on Linux that are best of breed over Windows or Mac.
>>>>
>>>
>>> About about:
>>>
>>> - multi desktop switch? The ones on Windows are practically non-existent
>>> and the ones on Mac are arguable extremely poor.
>>> - terminal? I haven't tried one on Windows so I do not know for sure but
>>> it used to be very poor. On a Mac I have not found EVEN ONE terminal which
>>> supports everything that even in the oldest xterm worked out of the box.
>>> For example, keyboard shortcuts for moving one word at the time, go to the
>>> start or end of the word or doing copy-paste correctly. The best one I've
>>> found on Mac is terminus and even that has troubles with navigation when
>>> using VI or VIM (can't find the bug reports at the moment, but can dig them
>>> out if you really care)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Davide
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> For that reason, I'm very happy to have programs like Zoom that work
>>>> well on *my* Linux system. I recognize they're supporting a minority of
>>>> users and that has a cost to them. It lets me be the black swan and use an
>>>> OS I'm comfortable with along side other peers who are on Windows, Mac or
>>>> phones and don't care about all this politics. We can all join a zoom and
>>>> get on with life and that's important to me.
>>>>
>>>> I have empathy for your frustration with Zoom because if our LUG
>>>> meetings were in some open source program that required a lot of effort to
>>>> get them to work, I would probably pass on the effort to debug it too. Or
>>>> I'd procrastinate or wait for it to be fixed. But invest a lot of time..
>>>> just like you I think I'd say nope: move on to something else.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 08:03 -0600, Davide Del Vento wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From Friday the 3rd to the day before yesterday, I attempted to use
>>>> Zoom many times, mostly for job-related meetings, but also for a few other
>>>> ones (e.g. music lessons). I missed two work meetings and spent an
>>>> inordinate amount of time trying to fix the issues (I think those are now
>>>> resolved, and might have been their clumsy attempt to mitigate zoombombing
>>>> and the security issues that were made public just before the problem
>>>> occurred). Yet, I am still really angry at that company. I initially
>>>> resolved to not use Zoom anymore at all, but then I "relaxed the policy" to
>>>> give it a try for anything I really care about. However, my "policy" is to
>>>> never ever spend more than 90 seconds on each device. If it doesn't work
>>>> out of the box, try another device. It did not work out of the box on
>>>> bionic, I do not know why and I do not care. It did work on Android. If I
>>>> run out of devices, I am just resigned to miss the meeting. Life is too
>>>> short to deal with such a stupid company.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:15 PM Maxwell Spangler <
>>>> lists at maxwellspangler.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What doesn't work on Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Zoom? I was using Zoom on Fedora 31 tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Curious.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 19:06 -0600, Davide Del Vento wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW it does not work on a Linux workstation, but it does work on
>>>> Android
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Dan Mackin <dan.mackin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Our feature presenter's slides are here:
>>>> https://www.varrazzo.com/psycopg-boulder-2020/#slide1
>>>>
>>>> Dan Mackin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Topic: April 2020 Boulder Linux User's Group
>>>> Time: Apr 9, 2020 06:30 PM Mountain Time (US and Canada)
>>>>
>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>>> https://rule4.zoom.us/j/270870919?pwd=UFZpSENwM3ZtbW1CdDZ3WFhiMGhtQT09
>>>>
>>>> Meeting ID: 270 870 919
>>>> Password: uselinux
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jeffrey S. Haemer <
>>>> jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Go Dan!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:37 AM Dan Mackin <dan.mackin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey y'all!! Thanks for your patience as I worked up a plan! We've got a
>>>> fantastic speaker lined up for our online MeetUp tonight! ...although maybe
>>>> I should say "tomorrow afternoon" as our speaker will be casting all the
>>>> way from New Zealand!!
>>>>
>>>> I know we've got folks on this mailing list in all sorts of different
>>>> time zones, so for further clarity, official BLUG start day and time is:
>>>> 2020-04-10T00:30Z
>>>>
>>>> DETAILS
>>>> - I will send out a Zoom link to this mailing list (and to the folks
>>>> that have RSVP'd "Yes" on our MeetUp page) at 2020-04-10T00:00Z. The
>>>> meeting link won't be active until 2020-04:10T00:30Z. I'll have the waiting
>>>> room feature enabled so you'll need to be admitted into the Zoom. Please be
>>>> patient as I let y'all in and make sure you use whatever name you'd put on
>>>> your name tag if we were meeting in person as it'll help me facilitate
>>>> questions, discussion, etc.
>>>> - We'll mingle, chat and fiddle with A/V while waiting for folks to
>>>> join the meeting and I'll get started right at 2020-04-10T01:00Z.
>>>> - You'll all enter the room on mute by default. You should be able to
>>>> unmute yourself at your leisure but remember: Mute's your friend when it
>>>> comes to good group video chat etiquette.
>>>> - I'll get us started, we'll do group intros, and then I'll introduce
>>>> our speaker for our feature presentation: A live presentation on how Python
>>>> and PostgreSQL interact using psycopg2, the most used Postgres database
>>>> driver for Python! We will touch basic topics like, basic Python objects,
>>>> interaction with a database session, data adaptation, and security by
>>>> avoiding things like SQL injection attacks.
>>>> - Our presenter, Daniele Varrazzo, has offered to provide the slides
>>>> ahead of the meeting, just in case we have technical difficulties! I'll
>>>> send a link to those when I send out the Zoom link.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we will have a give away "raffle" at the end. No, I'm not able to
>>>> GrubHub everyone food and beer. Logistical nightmare! I know not everyone
>>>> likes Zoom. Sorry. In the event Zoom becomes unusable across the board,
>>>> I'll send out a backup Hangouts link to this list (and to the folks that
>>>> have RSVP'd "Yes" on our MeetUp page). Oh, and if anyone's lost on the
>>>> timezone thing... we're starting at our normal day/time. Our MeetUp site
>>>> should list this accurately as well:
>>>> https://www.meetup.com/Boulder-Linux-Users-Group-BLUG/)
>>>>
>>>> See y'all soon!!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:23 PM Dan Mackin <dan.mackin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LUGers!
>>>> Yuppers... we'll have a vBLUG MeetUp Thursday evening. I'll have more
>>>> details for y'all on the event soon but wanted to let you know so as you
>>>> could keep your calendars clear...
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing y'all via videoconference!!
>>>> -Dan
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> ===================================================================
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