You can find XCircuit at: http://bach.ece.jhu.edu/~tim/programs/xcircuit/ with a SourceForge project at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xcircuit Sean -- Good idea: Slaves Girls of Gor Bad idea: Slave Girls of Al Gore. Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com> tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python