[lug] DSL OR CABLE MODEM

[Harris, James]

Thanks for the technical update!  :)

I had also considered Satellite, but the price, the lack of Linux support
and the latency all compounded to reduce it's usefullness to me.  Too bad
really.

Anyone here seen any adds for MHO?  They're supposedly a wireless provider
and they're coming into my neighborhood.  I checked out their deal and was
*sadly* disappointed that they are specifically denying any form of hosting
(blocking all useful inbound ports.)  What blows my mind is that they're
offering a static IP option... Maybe it's me, but I just don't see paying
extra per month for a static IP unless I can host some services...

I'm seriously debating whether or not I want to go with them.  For the
equipment and installation price, the coax cable that's going to have to be
run and the eyesore on the roof, I'm not sure it's terribly worth it if I
can't even host my own DNS and email (well, technically they're not blocking
inbound DNS, but they're sure as heck blocking 22, 25, 80 and more.)

Oh well humm, 'nough blabbing... Back to work.  :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Robinson [mailto:fred.robinson at sipfusion.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 22:15
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Subject: RE: [lug] DSL OR CABLE MODEM
> 
> 
> James,
> Yes, Cable is still a shared connection, like a hub, but the collision
> domain and caching scheme have improved in the past few years so the
> effective rate is pretty reliable.  Additionally, the cable 
> operators watch
> oversubscription very carefully so there aren't 
> disproportionate numbers of
> users per node.
> 
> One option I haven't heard yet is Satellite for broadband.  I 
> live in the
> mountains and have no other option except for Satellite.  I 
> use DirecWAY
> (formerly DirecPC)
> www.direcway.com
> It's a two-way, always on service.  There is a charge for 
> more than xxGB's a
> month (don't recall the limit), but I was told by my 
> installer not to worry
> about it for the time being as they don't have the means to 
> meter it yet.
> However, they can tell when you are constantly transmitting 
> and receiving
> and this will draw their attention and they will assume that 
> you are running
> a LAN with multiple users and advise you that you must 
> upgrade your service
> to a business class service for $150 a month versus the 
> standard home user
> subscription of $59 a month.
> 
> Transmit and receive rates are fairly good, as high as 500K 
> download and up
> to 125K upload.  However, the effective rate seems more like 100K, and
> upload at 50K, steady stream, but satellite isn't steady, 
> it's bursty.  The
> network roundtrip delay is approx. 50ms (or half a second), 
> so content comes
> in blasts and pauses.  Streaming video works better than a 
> modem but not as
> good as DSL or Cable, and I frequently use Yahoo IM's voice 
> feature to talk
> to people without any problem.
> 
> The downside:
> 	- The cost of the equipment, approx. $600 for the 
> two-way dish LNB/antenae.
> It comes with two external USB modems, one for transmit and 
> one for receive.
> 	- You can't get a public/static IP address, and you 
> can't make VPN
> connections via IPSEC due to the 50ms latency
> 	- There aren't any drivers that I'm aware for LINUX, 
> therefore you have to
> have a Windows PC setup as a LAN server to manage the 
> connection and connect
> your LINUX machine to the LAN
> 
> You can order the equipment and installation through most Satellite
> installers in the phone book.  You can't buy direct from 
> DiricWAY and Best
> Buy and others don't sell it.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Robinson
> Operator, SIPFusion
> 
> 558 Copperdale Ln.
> Golden, CO 80403
> fred.robinson at sipfusion.com
> office: 303.642.8061
> mobile: 720.272.5201
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-admin at lug.boulder.co.us 
> [mailto:lug-admin at lug.boulder.co.us]On
> Behalf Of Harris, 
> James
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:24 AM
> To: 'lug at lug.boulder.co.us'
> Subject: RE: [lug] DSL OR CABLE MODEM
> 
> 
> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that cable is 
> the equivalent
> of being on a hub with a big collision domain while DSL is 
> equivalent to
> being on a switch?  I'd love to know if this is an 
> out-of-date theory or
> not.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yuko Jonah [mailto:yuko_j at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 09:44
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Subject: [lug] DSL OR CABLE MODEM
> 
> 
> What really is the difference b/w dsl and cable modem. I have 
> never use dsl
> before,but thinking of switching from cable modem to dsl due to price.
> 
> " Those who perpertrate evil on their fellow men shall
> be visited by evil."
> ---Kenule Saro-wiwa
> 
> Yuko Jonah
> yuko_j at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
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