[lug] CYA

Tue Oct 1 13:34:51 MDT 2002

Just a friendly $0.02, your previous posting just
opened you up to a the defending side of any civil
suit your present employer may (or may not) wish to
file at a minimum.

Colorado passed a law a few months back that makes
any emails send by an originator considered a "legal
document".  Basically (in a nutshell) this considers
emails the same as if one were to USPS Certified mail
a written letter to a receiving party.  Since this is
a "public list"...we, you see my point, anyone can consider
this letter sent to him/her.

Also, I suspect there was an initial exchange of words
on what your tasks were to be for this particular assignment.
You were asked to perform these tasks on their equipment,
which 9 times out of 10, means any coding (unless otherwise
stated in contracts or negotiations, and normally then put
into writing and signed by both parties) belongs to the end
client or employer.

Your email to a public list such as this could in the end
come back at you via this employer against you.  There is
reason for immediate termination of your services presented,
as well as possible other recourse as well, civil and criminal
(remember, under the Patriot Act, anything considered as
"hacking" is now considered an act of treason).  Not to mention,
any prospective and future employer will not take some comments
made lightly, I know I do not.

Just some $0.02 on the situation.  No personal nor company
stance or opinion represented here.

Sincerely,

Crawford Rainwater
CEO and Consultant

The I.T.E.C. Company
P.M.B. 146
368 South McCaslin Boulevard
Louisville, CO 80027 USA
(303) 604-2550 (voice)
(866) 604-2550 (toll free)
(303) 664-0036 (fax)
http://www.itec-co.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-admin at lug.boulder.co.us [mailto:lug-admin at lug.boulder.co.us]On
> Behalf Of j davis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:17 PM
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Subject: Re: [lug] CYA
>
>
> we have no contract. This was something i did at night on my own time.
> I took one of my personal firewall scips and modified for work,
> on my own time at my house. I have never been paid for this scrip
> and do not want this company using any of my work that i did for free.
>
> If there are any shisty companys out ther reading this post....you
> will do best not to hire me. ALSO...my life is not about a job..
> i thank you for your concern though. Using Linux is about using
> Linux for fun.I refuse to let corprate assholes be a killjoy.
> .....
> I guess im being childish. I just hate it when my good nature
> has me be taken advantge of....thats all.
>
> jd
>
>
> >From: rm at fabula.de
> >Reply-To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> >To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> >Subject: Re: [lug] CYA
> >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:13:16 +0200
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:43:32PM +0000, j davis wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >  I admin a firewall for a company....things are not going so well
> > > between them and me. I dont want them to be able to lock me out
> >
> >As a matter of fact, since they own the box, they have all rights to
> >do so, and even attempting to circumivent this might get you into serious
> >trouble (esp. after anouncing it in the bulic -- jd, this post will
> >stay arround for probably the rest of you career in archives like
> >Google! Do you really think _anybody_ hires an admin that's
> openly thinking
> >about locking his customer out of their hardware?).
> >
> > > one
> > > day and keep using my personal code for ther use.
> >
> >Are you shure it's _your_ code? Unless you have an absolutly watertight
> >contract that states that all code and configuration data produced during
> >the work involved belongs to you, you better don't touch that
> stuff. Other-
> >wise you destroy _their_ property (and they can and probably
> will sue you).
> >
> > > So, they are not that
> > > linux savy. If i remove my iptable scrip i could cripple the whole
> > > network...but this requires root...wich i have for now. Could i remove
> > > the exe "passwd" without breaking anything...to keep asshole from
> >changing
> > > root. I dont really want to trojan the box....i just dont want the
> >company
> > > using
> > > my firwall scrips and personall admin scrips after i am gone.
> >
> >That's something you should have thought of before starting to
> work -- not
> >now. And, just as a good advice: you better do super good work for them
> >from now on, otherwise, in case of a legal fight, they might
> accuse you of
> >intentional bad work and use your posting here as evidence.
> >
> >   Ralf Mattes
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>
> thanks,
> jd
>
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