[lug] boot eSata (David L. Anselmi)

[Aaron DeWolf]

esata is slow compared to usb3. If you haven't bought yet, wait a bit for
more manufacturers to come out with usb3 devices.
As far as booting from esata, if your PC's BIOS shows the esata device in
it's boot order, you should be set.

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>   1. Re: courtesy, sarcasm, and Free Software (Nate Duehr)
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>   3. Re: Cluttering the Internet (was: Freedom formatting)
>      (Kevin Fenzi)
>   4. Re: LPI 2 (Sean Reifschneider)
>   5. Cluttering the Internet (will be: the moderator beatings
>      shall continue until morale improves) (Tom Christiansen)
>   6. boot eSata (karl horlen)
>   7. Re: LPI 2 (Nate Duehr)
>   8. Re: boot eSata (David L. Anselmi)
>   9. Re: Cluttering the Internet (will be: the moderator beatings
>      shall continue until morale improves) (Collins Richey)
>  10. Re: boot eSata (karl horlen)
>  11. FC12 installer bug? (stimits at comcast.net)
>  12. which tomcat version is being used? (stimits at comcast.net)
>  13. Re: boot eSata (Lori Reed)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:14:52 -0700
> From: Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] courtesy, sarcasm, and Free Software
> To: "Boulder \(Colorado\) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <97C22834-F28C-4671-9739-C7CE3C326FE1 at natetech.com>
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>
> Davide,
>
> Don't worry about it.  Once you find out someone you need to talk with
> prefers a particular posting type, adjust for them if you want to.
>
> You find out real quick who you really need to talk to and who you don't.
> :-)
>
> Or as a favorite band of mine puts it,
>
> You were the one, who taught me what I don't need.
> And I thank you, I thank you for that.
> You were the one, who brought me to my senses,
> And I thank you, now just leave me alone.
>
> Heck, it's 2009... if someone REALLY dislikes the way you type up your
> e-mails, you can always just send them video screen-cap movies with a nice
> voice-over explaining the problem... :-) :-) :-)  By the way, *is* there any
> GOOD video screen-cap software for Linux desktops?  I haven't seen any, but
> then again, when I'm doing Unix support, a copy of screen and a shared
> session goes a long way these days.  Or a web conference via the person's
> desktop which to this day, USUALLY isn't Linux in the corporate world...
> they fire up PuTTY or whatever, and we plunk away from there.  Whatever
> works...
>
> Not saying mailing lists have lost their relevance and usefulness, but
> they're based on 70's and 80's technology, after all.  They're going to have
> this top-posting/bottom-posting limitation probably until the day I die.
>
> I just silently adjust to any ranters, if I really need to communicate
> something with them.  Otherwise, I have a lot better things to worry about.
>  Like whether or not to take advantage of Black Friday deals to add a second
> monitor to a machine I don't use often-enough.  LOL... THAT's a tough one.
>  But then again, I'm frugal, so the 17" LCD on that machine will probably be
> just fine for yet another year.
>
> Perspective.  Tom's on the computer a ton for his living, and has some
> preferences.  He's smart enough that he's allowed to have them, because
> people look to him for assistance.  If there were another "Tom" with
> identical skill, who didn't care about how the e-mails arrived, guess who'd
> get more business and be perceived as being "better at customer service" so
> to speak (even though in this forum, Tom's offering help for free, so he
> gets to dictate his "rules")...?
>
> I can honestly say that in my professional job, once a customer's question
> goes much beyond the basics, we typically fire up a web conference and
> desktop sharing and get to work on the problem via that method anymore.
>  Plunking through code in a mailing list just takes far too long.  It's a
> "you get what you pay for" type of situation... and comes with all the
> good/bad of the technology used to communicate within it.
>
> Video and webconferences (and shared screen sessions) are where it's at in
> the paid support world these days... e-mail is for opening the trouble
> ticket and initial "Hey have you guys ever seen this before?" or... "Hey,
> could you guys put in a request for a new feature for me?"
>
> --
> Nate Duehr
> nate at natetech.com
>
> facebook.com/denverpilot
> twitter.com/denverpilot
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:44:42 -0700
> From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist at perl.com>
> Subject: [lug] Cluttering the Internet (was: Freedom formatting)
> To: Boulder Linux UG <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:25:25 -0700
> From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin at scrye.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] Cluttering the Internet (was: Freedom formatting)
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
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> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:44:42 -0700
> Tom Christiansen <tchrist at perl.com> wrote:
>
> <pdf thing snipped>
>
> ok, can we stop this now please?
>
> Once was amusing and made some point, after that it's just getting
> anoying. ;)
>
> kevin
> (Hoping he doesn't need to get out the moderator bat)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:05:44 -0700
> From: Sean Reifschneider <jafo at tummy.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] LPI 2
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
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> On 11/25/2009 02:52 PM, Nate Duehr wrote:
> > many questions about Samba.  Do people REALLY integrate Linux servers
> > into Windows Domains that often as servers?  Yuck.  NFS I get, but
>
> We have several clients that make heavy use of Samba.  So, yeah.
>
> About as many as NFS.  Only one uses iSCSI and GFS.
>
> > And... Squid...? Really? Anyone actually run Squid in a production/work
>
> We don't have many users using Squid, the only one I can think of is a
> client running a smoothwall system that is a commercial release that uses
> Squid on the backend, IIRC.
>
> I prefer to use Apache to Squid for caching, primarily because the config
> is much less obtuse.
>
> For example, at home I have my firewall set up to redirect all traffic
> headed towards mirrors.tummy.com to instead go to a transparent Apache
> caching proxy.  Getting 100mbps or gigabit networking to my house is *NOT*
> cheap, but the cache means that I don't have to keep a huge directory tree
> synced, but at the same time I often get data for installs or updates via
> cache at wire speed.
>
> My biggest concern is for installs.  I'll frequently go months between
> installs, and then do several or a dozen PXE installs for testing or
> whatnot.
>
> > world of Linux admin.  Bandwidth is cheap.  About all I've ever seen it
> > used for is to annoy users to block "inappropriate" websites (instead of
> > just firing the moron, easily fixed via policy vs. technology)...
>
> Indeed, that is one of the most frequent cases where we get a request that
> would dictate Squid.
>
> Munin should be on pretty much every machine.
>
> Sean
> --
> Sean Reifschneider, Member of Technical Staff <jafo at tummy.com>
> tummy.com, ltd. - Linux Consulting since 1995: Ask me about High
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:26:02 -0700
> From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist at perl.com>
> Subject: [lug] Cluttering the Internet (will be: the moderator
>        beatings        shall continue until morale improves)
> To: Boulder Linux UG <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <28515.1259367962 at chthon>
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>
> > <pdf thing snipped>
>
> > ok, can we stop this now please?=20
>
> Why?  I carefully compose my messages to present properly in a particular
> fashion which specifically requires a fixed-width font, respect for certain
> conventions of white space, etc.  Are you asking me to stop carefully
> composing my messages?  Why?
>
> > Once was amusing and made some point, after that it's just getting
> > anoying. ;)=20
>
> Why?  What is annoying about it?  The messages come through
>
> > (Hoping he doesn't need to get out the moderator bat)
>
> Well, *I* wasn't going to suggest it, but since you've brought
> it up, sure: that's a really swell idea.  As I have demonstrated,
> there are about 50,000 messages' worth of annoyance that just
> crying out for moderation.  That's a lot of fodder for your bat.
>
> Just tell me one thing first, because I'm *really* slow.
>
> I don't understand why you tolerate messages from others that for all their
> 11,982 characters carry only 11 lines of content and are the next thing
> over from being utterly illegible, but ignoring all that cruft and chaff
> and pointless noise you then turn around to come after me about my
> messages:
> which are 100% real content unlike almost every other message here, which
> contain no gratuitous duplication and redundancy bloat unlike almost every
> other message here, and which are trivial for anyone to read in the precise
> fashion that I have composed them and the precise fashion that I intend for
> them to be read -- again, unlike almost every message here.
>
> So please tell me, what's *that* all about, huh?  It's really mysterious.
>
> Now, some really superstupid person would even stoop to representing all
> this as grossly hypocritical.  On my bad days, I'm a superstupid person.
> On my good days, I'm the slightest scintilla less daft.  This is one of my
> good days.  So I won't represent it that way.  I'll just tell you it makes
> no sense to me; none whatsoscreamingever.
>
> I guess it makes sense to you, though.  Well hey there, it's your playpen.
> Since I obviously have no content to contribute, I'll take your strong hint
> and continue not to contribute it.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> --tom
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:46:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: karl horlen <horlenkarl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [lug] boot eSata
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Message-ID: <830726.16210.qm at web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> a lot of the newer systems today come with an eSata port.
>
> i'm thinking about buying one and was wondering if anybody out there knows
> whether external sata drives attached to these eSata ports can be made
> bootable these days?
>
> i imagine it's mostly a function of the bios.  if you can enable "boot from
> eSata" or similar than it's probably a go.  but i'm not sure if that's
> standard bios fare these days.
>
> anybody have some first hand experience with this?  with both linux and win
> OSs?
>
> i'm liking the idea of having separate bootable OS's on different eSata
> drives if possible versus traditional dual boot scenarios on a single
> internal drive.  just seems cleaner and more flexible to me in the long run
> if i can do it.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:12:50 -0700
> From: Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] LPI 2
> To: "Boulder \(Colorado\) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <07AC5981-4DD3-46FD-AEFF-BDF2A9A56207 at natetech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Sean Reifschneider wrote:
>
> > For example, at home I have my firewall set up to redirect all traffic
> > headed towards mirrors.tummy.com to instead go to a transparent Apache
> > caching proxy.  Getting 100mbps or gigabit networking to my house is
> *NOT*
> > cheap, but the cache means that I don't have to keep a huge directory
> tree
> > synced, but at the same time I often get data for installs or updates via
> > cache at wire speed.
>
> Thanks for the info on "the real world" Sean.
>
> I left the above because I used to do that too, but I just don't have much
> need to do tons of Linux installs at home anymore.  If I did, I "get it" as
> far as the bandwidth saved (and time saved) a local cache can provide.
>
> > Munin should be on pretty much every machine.
>
> Oooh, one of my favorites also. I can't believe it (or at least SOME sort
> of monitoring/management software) isn't mentioned anywhere in the LPI
> testing environment.
>
> --
> Nate Duehr
> nate at natetech.com
>
> http://facebook.com/denverpilot
> http://twitter.com/denverpilot
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:15:47 -0700
> From: "David L. Anselmi" <anselmi at anselmi.us>
> Subject: Re: [lug] boot eSata
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <4B1095E3.2030802 at anselmi.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> karl horlen wrote:
> > i imagine it's mostly a function of the bios.  if you can enable
> > "boot from eSata" or similar than it's probably a go.  but i'm not
> > sure if that's standard bios fare these days.
>
> I expect it is but you'd have to try it and see.
>
> > anybody have some first hand experience with this?  with both linux
> > and win OSs?
>
> OS is irrelevant, I think.
>
> > i'm liking the idea of having separate bootable OS's on different
> > eSata drives if possible versus traditional dual boot scenarios on a
> > single internal drive.  just seems cleaner and more flexible to me in
> > the long run if i can do it.
>
> USB and CD have been doing this for a while.  But wouldn't you rather
> just virtualize?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:54:39 -0700
> From: Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] Cluttering the Internet (will be: the moderator
>        beatings        shall continue until morale improves)
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID:
>        <e00942e40911271954r65effda6g963ddc645fc11b11 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Tom Christiansen <tchrist at perl.com>
> wrote:
> >> <pdf thing snipped>
> >
> >> ok, can we stop this now please?=20
> >
> > Why? ?< major rant snipped>
>
> If it was anything like this one, am I ever glad I missed out on
> whatever this bit of mumbling referred to.
>
> --
> Collins Richey
>     If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
>     of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:31:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: karl horlen <horlenkarl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] boot eSata
> To: "Boulder \(Colorado\) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <713730.44924.qm at web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> > USB and CD have been doing this for a while.? But
> > wouldn't you rather
> > just virtualize?
>
> well, i guess i could.  but it's not really native right? you still have a
> guest and host OS.  plus another configuration to worry about.
>
> i guess i just like the simplicity of having two completely native systems
> for a variety of reasons.
>
> i don't need to have them running simultaneously so i don't need a window
> within a window scenario.
>
> thanks for the reminder about virtualization though
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:45:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: stimits at comcast.net
> Subject: [lug] FC12 installer bug?
> To: BLUG <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID:
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> 720279860.7275121259412357594.JavaMail.root at sz0122a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I've been trying to install to a quad opteron machine, with 4 hard drives
> (400 GB each, SATA2). I've been experimenting with raid options, and cannot
> get past what is apparently a show-stopper bug. From what little I found,
> this was supposed to be FC12 beta bug...has anyone here run into this on the
> non-beta?
> 527952 MODIFIED anaconda AttributeError: ' NoneType ' object has no
> attribute 'disk'
>
> I get through what appears to be a perfectly fine partition scheme, and
> tell it to go on to the next part, and anaconda dies with the NoneType
> message. Perhaps there is a workaround, maybe pre-partitioning in a rescue
> mode?
>
> Related question on state-of-the-art in FC12: I have not installed a system
> in quite a while, and although it's obvious that /boot can't use LVM, can
> this use RAID1? Journaling filesystems like ext3 (without special kernel
> builds)?
>
> Dan Stimits, stimits AT comcast DOT net
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:29:43 +0000 (UTC)
> From: stimits at comcast.net
> Subject: [lug] which tomcat version is being used?
> To: BLUG <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
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> I see both tomcat 5.5 and 6 are available on FC12. Apache lists 6 as stable
> but did not actually appear till mid-summer. I'm curious if anyone here
> knows of any serious development which is on version 6 now?
>
> Dan Stimits, stimits AT comcast DOT net
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:09:44 -0700
> From: Lori Reed <lorireed at lightning-rose.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] boot eSata
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
>        <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <4B115958.9090805 at lightning-rose.com>
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>
> karl horlen wrote:
>
> > i imagine it's mostly a function of the bios.  if you can enable "boot
> from eSata" or similar than it's probably a go.  but i'm not sure if that's
> standard bios fare these days.
> >
> > anybody have some first hand experience with this?  with both linux and
> win OSs?
>
> Not with eSATA or SATA, but since the early 90's I've installed all my
> desktop 3.5" PATA and SCSI disks in mobile carriers. This works well if
> your computer case has at least one 5.25" slot on the front. I've also
> installed these carriers in external USB/1394 drives.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mobile+dock+sata
>
> I've used these with multiple versions of MS, Linux, and QNX.
>
> > i'm liking the idea of having separate bootable OS's on different eSata
> drives if possible versus traditional dual boot scenarios on a single
> internal drive.  just seems cleaner and more flexible to me in the long run
> if i can do it.
>
> It served me well in the days before virtualization, relatively small
> disk drives, and I had only one computer.
>
> These days I'm leaning towards virtualization, but until I get my new
> (to me) Dell 8400 online I don't have any computers with enough horse
> power to do any significant virtualization.
>
> Lori
> Bottom posting as Dog intended...
>
>
>
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