[lug] LUG Digest, Vol 90, Issue 17
Ash Mohatt
ash.mohatt at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 12:22:04 MDT 2011
I have a few suggestions as well. I am still new and have not worked professionally yet so take it for what its worth ;)
0. SSH!!! I have a lab at home with 5 computers and 1 monitor. SSH is all I ever need to work on the other machines.
1. Do know your system inside and out. For that, if you have Qwest, spend that extra $5 a month for a static IP. If you have a spare machine, you can throw whats called a LAMP server for websites (Linux Apache2 MySQL, PHP) at the most, or at the least learn about SSH.
I have many people trying to hack my webserver, but its a machine I can tear down to metal and rebuild. I have gotten to a pretty good level of security.
2. I do like the idea of a scripting language, but personally prefer Python over Perl, but you should explore programming a few "hello world" tutorials until you find a "fun language" < that is a subjective term...preference is up to the individual.
3. Play with setting up,configuring, and securing different server types: NFS/SAMBA, LAMP,LDAP,DNS severs and hard firewall/routing boxes. Any machine that is several years old will do.
4, Poke around www.linuxquestions.org to see what people are doing and www.lxer.com for news and trends.
4. It would be cool to collect a couple of Missions from more advanced admins. The above is what I've done on my own, but I know there is much more to learn before I get started!
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> 1. Occasional Apache SSL Error (Ben Luey)
> 2. System Administration - First Dive? (Erik Lenderman)
> 3. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Walter Pienciak)
> 4. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Dan Ferris)
> 5. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Erik Lenderman)
> 6. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Maxwell Spangler)
> 7. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (David L. Willson)
> 8. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Will)
> 9. Re: System Administration - First Dive? (Rob Nagler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:33:43 -0600
> From: Ben Luey <bluey at iguanaworks.net>
> Subject: [lug] Occasional Apache SSL Error
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
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> I'm running Debian Lenny with apache (2.2.9-10). This has been true for
> over a year now with no problems. One month ago I changed our SSL
> certificate as it was about to expire. The old key was 1024 bits and the
> new one (required by godaddy) is 2048 bits. It installed fine, chrome,
> firefox, etc accept it. Ever since then I occasionally get SSL errors
> such as:
>
> Peer's certificate has an invalid signature.
> (Error code: sec_error_bad_signature)
>
> from thunderbird (caldav over https via apache).
>
> or:
>
> Error 107 (net::ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR): SSL protocol error
>
> from chrome. Whenever I get the error, reloading the page usually fixes
> the problem. There appears to be a weak correlation because how often I
> get this error and how long apache has been running without a restart.
>
> Any ideas what is going on? Before this change in the SSL certificate
> (old and new one were both signed by godaddy) I'd run apache for months
> on end with no problems. Same machine, no major upgrades, etc, and I
> don't see any errors in the logs. I'm pretty sure this isn't a network
> issue as I see the same issue over the internet or on our LAN.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:12:50 -0600
> From: Erik Lenderman <e.lenderman33 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=iRMES+7oELcOknQNXgPy8fzkQeQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hello,
>
> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am
> interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I
> would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills
> necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>
> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration
> crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most
> effective?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Erik
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> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:01:26 -0600
> From: Walter Pienciak <wpiencia at thunderdome.ieee.org>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <20110420040126.GB6866 at thunderdome.ieee.org>
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> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:12:50PM -0600, Erik Lenderman wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am
>> interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I
>> would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills
>> necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>>
>> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration
>> crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most
>> effective?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Erik
>
> Lots of experience on this list; no doubt for each 5 people, you
> could collect 7-8 opinions on the best way to proceed.
>
> I personally prefer the "set up a Linux box and dive in"
> approach. Pick a distro, install it, buy the Nemeth/Snyder/Hein
> "Linux Administration Handbook," and start puttering. Set up a
> web server on it, set up printing, add users, whatever floats
> your boat. Find and learn to read the system documentation. (At
> a command prompt, type "man man".)
>
> You will quickly surpass anything you might learn in a 5-day
> class.
>
> If you want to be a sysadmin (or beyond), you need become
> familiar with and to learn the core system, which has little to
> do with GUIs. My opinion is that using a GUI will cripple you in
> that endeavor; many GUIs are abstractions that insulate you
> from the system and expose only a subset of what is actually
> there to diddle. And when a system is having problems, you
> may find yourself with nothing but a console or SSH login and
> your wits anyway.
>
> Learn to use a text editor that is always bundled into systems.
> I use vim/vi; emacs is mostly ubiquitous (how is something mostly
> ubiquitous?); pico is an entry-level tool that can get you going
> with a short learning curve.
>
> Find out where all the logs on your system are and check them
> out. Find out how to find the logs ("man find").
>
> The bottom line is, you get a Linux box and start dinking with
> it. Some things will be interesting to you; you will learn in
> that area. Some things won't be interesting and you won't see
> an immediate need; maybe later. Some things will be puzzling,
> and you'll ask questions. It's mostly a matter of getting
> started and finding out if you have the aptitude and interest to
> do this for a career.
>
> FWIW, here's a quote from a recent job posting of mine:
> "Command-line administration and scripting skills are required."
> Bourne shell scripting is worth learning; as is Perl. If you
> learn to automate yourself out of the mundane, you may be
> happier, and you will have the time to pursue more interesting
> work. Admins who can't script or program and who are trapped in
> a GUI wind up being -- well, in the days of tape, we called them
> tape monkeys.
>
> No doubt one of my friends will be along shortly to explain
> carefully how wrong I am (especially regarding vi). ;^)
>
> My $0.02, maybe $0.03,
> Walter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:11:07 -0600
> From: Dan Ferris <dan at usrsbin.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <4DAE5CDB.8070204 at usrsbin.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I would humbly suggest that you look into buying a Linux VPS or Amazon
> EC2 instance in addition to setting up a home server. For starters it
> will allow you to learn a little about VPNs and routing. Plus it's
> easier to run public servers on a VPS or EC2 instance than it is on your
> home DSL/Cable line.
>
> I use www.arpnetworks.com for mine. It's like $40 a month and it's
> money well spent.
>
> On 04/19/2011 10:01 PM, Walter Pienciak wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:12:50PM -0600, Erik Lenderman wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am
>>> interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I
>>> would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills
>>> necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>>>
>>> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration
>>> crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most
>>> effective?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Erik
>> Lots of experience on this list; no doubt for each 5 people, you
>> could collect 7-8 opinions on the best way to proceed.
>>
>> I personally prefer the "set up a Linux box and dive in"
>> approach. Pick a distro, install it, buy the Nemeth/Snyder/Hein
>> "Linux Administration Handbook," and start puttering. Set up a
>> web server on it, set up printing, add users, whatever floats
>> your boat. Find and learn to read the system documentation. (At
>> a command prompt, type "man man".)
>>
>> You will quickly surpass anything you might learn in a 5-day
>> class.
>>
>> If you want to be a sysadmin (or beyond), you need become
>> familiar with and to learn the core system, which has little to
>> do with GUIs. My opinion is that using a GUI will cripple you in
>> that endeavor; many GUIs are abstractions that insulate you
>> from the system and expose only a subset of what is actually
>> there to diddle. And when a system is having problems, you
>> may find yourself with nothing but a console or SSH login and
>> your wits anyway.
>>
>> Learn to use a text editor that is always bundled into systems.
>> I use vim/vi; emacs is mostly ubiquitous (how is something mostly
>> ubiquitous?); pico is an entry-level tool that can get you going
>> with a short learning curve.
>>
>> Find out where all the logs on your system are and check them
>> out. Find out how to find the logs ("man find").
>>
>> The bottom line is, you get a Linux box and start dinking with
>> it. Some things will be interesting to you; you will learn in
>> that area. Some things won't be interesting and you won't see
>> an immediate need; maybe later. Some things will be puzzling,
>> and you'll ask questions. It's mostly a matter of getting
>> started and finding out if you have the aptitude and interest to
>> do this for a career.
>>
>> FWIW, here's a quote from a recent job posting of mine:
>> "Command-line administration and scripting skills are required."
>> Bourne shell scripting is worth learning; as is Perl. If you
>> learn to automate yourself out of the mundane, you may be
>> happier, and you will have the time to pursue more interesting
>> work. Admins who can't script or program and who are trapped in
>> a GUI wind up being -- well, in the days of tape, we called them
>> tape monkeys.
>>
>> No doubt one of my friends will be along shortly to explain
>> carefully how wrong I am (especially regarding vi). ;^)
>>
>> My $0.02, maybe $0.03,
>> Walter
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:16:21 -0600
> From: Erik Lenderman <e.lenderman33 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: Walter Pienciak <wpiencia at thunderdome.ieee.org>, "Boulder
> (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTim56G68Tf0i=_5xF3RpHdXerajKZw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Goodness knows that I'm ready to drop the GUI.
>
> Although this particular organization recommends an introduction to Unix and
> Linux, I believe that would be somewhat a limited and exorbitant expense.
> However, their Linux System Administration
> <http://www.traininghott.com/Courses/Linux-System-Admin-Hands-On-Training-Course-Class-Seminar-NIS-DNS-DHCP-LILO.htm>course
> appears to cover the fundamentals that you are addressing in an organized
> and sequential manner.
>
> What kind of obstacles should I expect from employers seeking 5+ years of
> experience?
>
> Erik
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Walter Pienciak <
> wpiencia at thunderdome.ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:12:50PM -0600, Erik Lenderman wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am
>>> interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I
>>> would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills
>>> necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>>>
>>> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration
>>> crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most
>>> effective?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Erik
>>
>> Lots of experience on this list; no doubt for each 5 people, you
>> could collect 7-8 opinions on the best way to proceed.
>>
>> I personally prefer the "set up a Linux box and dive in"
>> approach. Pick a distro, install it, buy the Nemeth/Snyder/Hein
>> "Linux Administration Handbook," and start puttering. Set up a
>> web server on it, set up printing, add users, whatever floats
>> your boat. Find and learn to read the system documentation. (At
>> a command prompt, type "man man".)
>>
>> You will quickly surpass anything you might learn in a 5-day
>> class.
>>
>> If you want to be a sysadmin (or beyond), you need become
>> familiar with and to learn the core system, which has little to
>> do with GUIs. My opinion is that using a GUI will cripple you in
>> that endeavor; many GUIs are abstractions that insulate you
>> from the system and expose only a subset of what is actually
>> there to diddle. And when a system is having problems, you
>> may find yourself with nothing but a console or SSH login and
>> your wits anyway.
>>
>> Learn to use a text editor that is always bundled into systems.
>> I use vim/vi; emacs is mostly ubiquitous (how is something mostly
>> ubiquitous?); pico is an entry-level tool that can get you going
>> with a short learning curve.
>>
>> Find out where all the logs on your system are and check them
>> out. Find out how to find the logs ("man find").
>>
>> The bottom line is, you get a Linux box and start dinking with
>> it. Some things will be interesting to you; you will learn in
>> that area. Some things won't be interesting and you won't see
>> an immediate need; maybe later. Some things will be puzzling,
>> and you'll ask questions. It's mostly a matter of getting
>> started and finding out if you have the aptitude and interest to
>> do this for a career.
>>
>> FWIW, here's a quote from a recent job posting of mine:
>> "Command-line administration and scripting skills are required."
>> Bourne shell scripting is worth learning; as is Perl. If you
>> learn to automate yourself out of the mundane, you may be
>> happier, and you will have the time to pursue more interesting
>> work. Admins who can't script or program and who are trapped in
>> a GUI wind up being -- well, in the days of tape, we called them
>> tape monkeys.
>>
>> No doubt one of my friends will be along shortly to explain
>> carefully how wrong I am (especially regarding vi). ;^)
>>
>> My $0.02, maybe $0.03,
>> Walter
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us
>> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug
>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety
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>
>
>
> --
> Erik Lenderman
> e.lenderman33 at gmail.com
> 571.265.3715
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:33:56 -0600
> From: Maxwell Spangler <maxlists at maxwellspangler.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
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> On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 19:12 -0600, Erik Lenderman wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I
>> am interested in exploring a career in system administration and
>> beyond. I would like to learn how one could best acquire the
>> knowledge and skills necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> A lot of us who have been using Linux and Unix some years would argue
> that to truly appreciate and master *nix systems you need to get beyond
> the GUI desktop tools.
>
> Many of us learned Unix before Linux and we did so in more primitive
> environments where you had to learn the fundamentals first. So we spent
> plenty of time working with shells, typing commands, writing scripts,
> and getting comfortable with the omnipresent editor, vi.
>
> If you do this -- if you set aside the GUI and try things the 'hard way'
> -- it will either scare you away, bore you, or introduce you to a very
> elegant and powerful side of Linux that offers great rewards.
>
> I would specifically recommend:
>
> * Learn enough vi to do basic editing on files. Just basic editing so
> you could open any file and make some simple changes.
>
> * Start studying scripting to understand how commands can be gathered
> together to do more complex chores. This will teach you scripting but
> also introduce you to the individual commands involved and how scripting
> methods are used to link them together. This is the sorcery of
> Linux/Unix systems.
>
> * Start exploring how things work behind the scenes. Read about
> start-up scripts and how important the many text based configuration
> files are in *nix systems. Things are open in Linux and you can change
> them to make things happen in ways you can't on closed systems hidden by
> GUI frontends.
>
>
> Think Unix came out about ten years ago but does a good job of
> explaining the philosophies and practices of Unix.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Think-UNIX-Jon-Lasser/dp/078972376X
>
> --
> Maxwell Spangler
> ========================================================================
> Linux System Administration / Computing Services
> Photography / Graphics Design / Writing
> Boulder, Colorado
> http://www.maxwellspangler.com
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:26:55 -0600 (MDT)
> From: "David L. Willson" <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID:
> <21057590.34.1303277176229.JavaMail.dlwillson at dlwillson-laptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Is it OK for me to plug a series of classes I teach? And a certification target?
>
> If so, consider Linux Fundamentals, Linux SysAdmin, and Linux Enterprise Services from PARSEC Group, with an eye toward gaining the RHCE certification, or LPIC-2, if you prefer distro agnostic certifications.
>
> The training material is by Guru Labs. They rock. The delivery is me. I'm pretty energetic and excited about this whole "free as in freedom" software thing.
>
> On experience: Do something. Experience in your basement counts. Volunteer. That counts more. Do something visible and lasting. There's absolutely no arguing with a guy that shows you where to download and/or play with something that he actually made.
>
> David L. Willson
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
> RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP
> tel://720.333.LANS
> Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Lenderman" <e.lenderman33 at gmail.com>
> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:12:50 PM
> Subject: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>
> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most effective?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Erik
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us
> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug
> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 06:52:42 -0600
> From: Will <will.sterling at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
> <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikUdGAViYD-WjOTKUvc=0hmzLFBqQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Since no one has mentioned the long route yet I will.
>
> This is how I got started.
>
> http://www.ist.rit.edu/?q=node/15
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:26 PM, David L. Willson <DLWillson at thegeek.nu>wrote:
>
>> Is it OK for me to plug a series of classes I teach? And a certification
>> target?
>>
>> If so, consider Linux Fundamentals, Linux SysAdmin, and Linux Enterprise
>> Services from PARSEC Group, with an eye toward gaining the RHCE
>> certification, or LPIC-2, if you prefer distro agnostic certifications.
>>
>> The training material is by Guru Labs. They rock. The delivery is me. I'm
>> pretty energetic and excited about this whole "free as in freedom" software
>> thing.
>>
>> On experience: Do something. Experience in your basement counts. Volunteer.
>> That counts more. Do something visible and lasting. There's absolutely no
>> arguing with a guy that shows you where to download and/or play with
>> something that he actually made.
>>
>> David L. Willson
>> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast
>> RHCE MCT MCSE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP
>> tel://720.333.LANS
>> Freedom is better when you earn it. Learn Linux.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Erik Lenderman" <e.lenderman33 at gmail.com>
>> To: lug at lug.boulder.co.us
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:12:50 PM
>> Subject: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am primarily familiar with the basic GUI of Linux home OS's, but I am
>> interested in exploring a career in system administration and beyond. I
>> would like to learn how one could best acquire the knowledge and skills
>> necessary for developing a Unix/Linux expertise.
>>
>> Would you recommend that I register for 5-day Linux System Administration
>> crash-courses, or would a direct move into entry-level help desk be most
>> effective?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Erik
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us
>> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug
>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety
>> _______________________________________________
>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us
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>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety
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> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:15:10 -0600
> From: Rob Nagler <nagler at bivio.biz>
> Subject: Re: [lug] System Administration - First Dive?
> To: "Boulder (Colorado) Linux Users Group -- General Mailing List"
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> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Erik Lenderman wrote:
>> What kind of obstacles should I expect from employers seeking 5+ years of
>> experience?
>
> Kill two birds with one stone: become a Linux sysadmin consultant.
>
> I don't recommend learning in a vacuum. Rather, learn by doing
> something useful for someone. It's always good to have someone
> driving your requirements. You might have to work really hard to get
> almost no money, but that's a lot better than paying somebody to teach
> you something that you won't retain. Nothing like typing "kill - 1 1"
> on the console to remember NEVER to put a space after the "-". (Not
> that I've ever done anything as stupid as that. ;-)
>
> Set up an LLC, get fancy business cards, make a website (all good
> skills in themselves), and off you go! You are now in the business of
> system administration. Go out and hustle. Tell people that you've
> done Linux administration for X years, because, as you said, you've
> been doing it at home for some time with GUIs. They aren't going to
> ask you if you prefer using the command line. Rather, solve their
> immediate problem. Give them a new customer discount. And so on.
>
> I remember one customer for whom I started maintaining their Samba
> server. Didn't know a thing about it, but I did learn quickly. :)
>
> Rob
>
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