[lug] java in iceweasel on debian

[Davide Del Vento]

I'm not an expert on this by any means. However I believe the HTML
(whichever version) plus javascript is the "better" thing we have
right now, using those thick layers you mention (one that I like is
GWT).

That is, until our own Bruce solves this problem :-)
I'm told that he'll speak at the BLUG again soon, meanwhile, you may
have a look here: http://infomage.com

Cheers,
Davide

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Steve Sullivan <sullivan at mathcom.com> wrote:
> Davide, you bring up a good issue...
>
> AFAIK there is NO good way to post real interactive content to
> the web.  If a person wanted a real program (more than just
> onclick) to run on the client, the contenders are ...
>
>  Flash - ubiquitous, with ubiquitous security holes and a
>          primitive language (IMHO!)
>  Java  - klunky, often not supported, tricky dependencies on versions
>  SVG   - very limited programming language, not supported in all browsers
>  HTML5 - very limited programming language, not supported in all browsers
>  Javascript - widely supported, but wide differences in browser implementations
>  Dart - Google's attempt to replace Javascript.  Haven't heard
>         a word about it since it was announced.  DOA?
>
> Seems to me Javascript is becoming the sort-of standard.
> I say "sort of" because it requires thick layers to shield
> the programmer from all the implementation differences.
> Your thoughts?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:45:11AM -0600, Davide Del Vento wrote:
>>
>> Because in my opinion applets (the java stuff you run in a browser) is
>> not the right thing to have in a "web page". Applets are that middle
>> thing between "pure web" and "pure native apps": neither fish nor
>> fowl, in my opinion (by the way, I think the same of flash).
>> ...
>> Well, than it depends on how strongly do you want that. Myself, I
>> browse the web with noscript, and I activate something beyond pure
>> HTML and CSS only on a very limited set of sites, if I really have
>> very strong reasons for.
>
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