[lug] Why is it SO easy to destroy cloud environments?

[Bear Giles]

The cynical among us would say it's also because we leave no stone unturned
in our efforts to maximize profits for some (but not all) businesses. I
don't know if or what other countries pay for their standards but here it
can be quite expensive to get a copy of the actual standards.

Worse there is a growing tendency of small governments to incorporate
standards 'as a whole' in local legislation like building code. That, by
itself, isn't a problem. What is a problem is that people can't know what
the law is unless they're willing to shell out a few hundred bucks to a
private company. They can't know if they're violating the law, they can't
know if somebody else harming them while violating the law and they don't
have to fight them alone.

There are a lot of problems with government-backed standards but there's
also a lot of benefits in making sure there's an even playing field.


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Jeffrey S. Haemer <jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com
> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Paul E Condon <pecondon at mesanetworks.net
> > wrote:
>
>> For the tapered screw threads, there was not a government mandate,
>> there was a consensus standard of the industry, and NBS was the
>> maintainer of the physical reference objects. NBS and, I think, also
>> NIST never has regulatory authority. They also provide calibration
>> standards for all sorts of specialized test equipment, thermometers,
>> voltmeters, etc.
>>
>
> More detail, for the unusually interested or unusually bored:
>
> The Constitution gives regulatory authority over "weights and measures" to
> Congress, the exercise of which Congress delegates to NIST<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Standards_and_Technology#Initial_mandate>(formerly NBS).
>
> What's unusual about the US, in this regard, is that we leave almost all
> standards work to industry groups. "Inch" is defined by the government, but
> IEEE 802.11 or ANSI C aren't.
>
> The IEEE and ANSI are industry-created standards bodies. Adoption of these
> standards is voluntary. Standard creation and adoption are driven by
> consensus and collaboration of folks like us.
>
> In other countries, standards are centrally defined, top-down, by
> government bureaucrats. They're the law.
>
> This is a lot like dictionaries.
>
> In English, dictionaries are compiled by private individuals and groups,
> published, and sold to the market. We buy the ones we like best. Me, I own
> a couple: an OED and a Webster's 2.
>
> Spanish? A central body, the Real Academia Espanola (Spanish Royal
> Academy), defines the language. Real dictionaries come from them. They
> define spelling and letters, too. (Other languages have the same thing. I'm
> not picking on Spanish, just using it as an example.)
>
> "Mexico"? Used to be spelled that way in Spanish, too. Now it's "Mejico"
> because a committee decided, one day, that 'x' would be pronounced "ks"
> instead of like a sort of heavy 'h'.
>
> Amusingly, the IEEE spent time defining sort (and other things that sort,
> like "ls") to handle the fact that the Real Academia declared "CH" and "LL"
> were letters of the alphabet: "A B C CH D ...."
>
> In Spanish dictionaries, "culo" came before "chupa."
>
> As that effort was wrapping up, the Real Academia announced that they were
> dropping those letters. "Chingar," from that day on, would have 7 letters
> instead of the old 6.
>
> They changed *the alphabet*.  Fijate.
>
> Why? "Computers," they explained. :-)
>
> So, anyway, yes, the Constitution says NIST can decide "weights and
> measures" for all of us -- like how many ounces are in a pound -- but no,
> historically it's left most standards to the citizenry and the free market.
>
> To us.
>
> --
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