[lug] De-index service

Mon Jul 14 22:18:50 MDT 2014

And here is the following of the story:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/07/14/331384825/in-europe-google-stumbles-between-free-speech-and-privacy

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Louder <ajlouder at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Very interesting
>   On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:51 AM, Davide Del Vento <
> davide.del.vento at gmail.com> wrote:
>  In case you missed, looks like the EU equivalent of the supreme court
> disagreed:
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/05/13/312156200/big-questions-now-that-europeans-can-edit-google-search-results
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Bear Giles <bgiles at coyotesong.com> wrote:
> > People can figure out if reviews are astroturfed (or whatever the term
> is).
> >
> > On Google/Bing/etc., think of it from their side. If they had a way to
> > exercise fine control over search results they would be inundated by
> people
> > suing them to tweak the results. They have very compelling reasons to
> make
> > it impossible.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Andrew Louder <ajlouder at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree there are valid and invalid review out there.  What can you
> about
> >> a fabricated review?
> >>
> >> My question on was on "De-indexing" a search engine to remove search
> >> results, rather than taking down taking down a review/blog...
> >>
> >> Let's say someone has unfavorable yelp review that shows up when you
> >> google their name.
> >> (1) I was wondering if someone know how "De-index" an unfavorable search
> >> result from google/bing...
> >> (2) I was not attempting to eliminate the yelp review.
> >>
> >> The best idea I have come up with: is to make many favorable reviews
> >> rather trying to implement a counter-measure against unfavorable search
> >> results.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:53 PM, Bear Giles <bgiles at coyotesong.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> Expanding on that - "unfavorable reviews"? Do they have a point?
> >>
> >> By that I mean there's a lot of stuff that's unfair and that you can't
> >> really do anything about. All you can do is what Davide suggests.
> >>
> >> On the other hand I've seen a lot of people with legitimate grievances,
> or
> >> at least what they perceive as legitimate, who are getting blown off by
> the
> >> other parties involved. They may feel that the only place they can be
> heard
> >> is on their own blog, or at a gripe site. At a certain point it even
> becomes
> >> self-reinforcing, e.g., I didn't stop shopping at Safeway because they
> >> screwed up a $10 off coupon, I stopped shopping there because I couldn't
> >> find any meaningful way to give them feedback other than to talk to the
> >> store manager who had just demonstrated (to me) that she's an idiot. A
> >> missing $10 is annoying, but what if there's a serious food safety
> concern
> >> and the manager on duty blows it off - what next?
> >>
> >> Anyway sometimes you can answer the point on that site (e.g., many
> review
> >> sites allow the subject to respond), sometimes you can copy the
> complaint
> >> and include your response on your own website. You have to be VERY
> careful
> >> if you take this approach - it's very easy to make a bad situation
> worse -
> >> but most people know that everyone has the occasional bad day, that some
> >> people make unreasonable demands, etc. Handle it well and you can come
> out
> >> ahead.
> >>
> >> Marginally related for the BLUG crowd - remember years ago (nearly two
> >> decades?) when that one guy would post allegations of child sexual abuse
> >> about anyone who disagreed with him? I'm sure that type is still out
> there
> >> but (hopefully) most people can now see through that crap. We might
> think
> >> our google profiles are lacking but it's hard for one person to control
> >> everything said about someone.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Davide Del Vento
> >> <davide.del.vento at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is not such a thing as "de-index". However, unlike what others
> >> said, you have two options.
> >>
> >> 1) if the information you are trying to make is clearly incorrect, and
> >> if it has been posted on serious websites, you (or your pay-service)
> >> can contact them and have it removed. E.g.: wikipedia, all decent news
> >> websites, etc. This is usually a tough call.
> >>
> >> 2) if one of the two requirements above is not met (e.g. the
> >> information is correct, but embarrassing -- or if it has been
> >> published on crap-websites which you have not legal ways to challenge
> >> or that is too much time and money consuming) you can still make that
> >> content "disappear", by making it move to the second, third or later
> >> page of the search results. To do so, you have to "improve" the hits
> >> (potentially using one of the pay-services such as reputation.com) in
> >> a very simple way: flood the internet with "good" content matching the
> >> search query you want to hide. For example if the search is about your
> >> name, you want to have many positive pages having your name. Of course
> >> all the SEO techniques apply so you don't just flood the internet with
> >> copy-paste copies of your resume, but you have to have "nice" content,
> >> linked by other high-ranking pages (possibly newspapers), and the
> >> likes.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >> Davide
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Quentin Hartman <qhartman at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > It's a bit off color, but a friend of mine once said, "Putting things
> on
> >> > the
> >> > Internet is like pissing into the ocean. Once it's out there, there's
> no
> >> > getting it back.". Not sure if it's something he came up with or
> >> > appropriated, but in any case, I thought it was apt.
> >> >
> >> > Q
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Zan Lynx <zlynx at acm.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Change your name and move to a different location.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Andrew Louder <ajlouder at yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >    Does anybody know much about how to De-index a web searches to
> >> >> > remove
> >> >> > unfavorable reviews from google/bing...?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >    Can anybody recommend a diy page?  Or recommend pay service?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Andy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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