[lug] Thoughts on upgrading to CentOS 7

[John]

I have to agree with Zan, though I recognize that your mileage may
vary depending on the type of systems you administer.

For me one of the biggest wins of going to systemd has been the
plethora of supporting tools that have been introduced, namely
systemd-nspawn, the spiritual successor of chroot.  The options
available to control the behaviors of a service through the service
files are pretty fantastic as well.

But if you don't have any use for the myriad of great capabilities
that systemd adds then other init systems will do just fine.



On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Zan Lynx <zlynx at acm.org> wrote:
> On 03/28/2018 06:43 AM, Alan Robertson wrote:
>> People like to say that technology wins in open source. This appears to be a counterexample.
>
> Well, I'm not going to be quiet and let others think there's some kind
> of consensus against systemd.
>
> Here's my opinion. Systemd is better in every single way than the
> ridiculous pile of hacked together "SysV" init scripts.
>
> I had to write some of those for RH AS 3, RHEL 4 and Debian.
> No. Just say no.
>
> The "solutions" to the SysV problems, like runit just pile on more
> complexity to a broken system. Systemd just fixes it.
>
> And daemons that do stupid things, worked around with shell script hacks
> like tail grepping the log file? They got fixed with real startup
> notification.
>
> Instead of applying another coat of paint to the rotten wood it's been
> ripped out and replaced correctly.
>
> So technology finally did win out.
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