[lug] (Virtual) BLUG is ON! Thursday April 9th, 2020 @ 6:30PM (MDT!)
Maxwell Spangler
lists at maxwellspangler.com
Fri Apr 10 13:48:34 MDT 2020
Interesting.
In my entire 25+ year history of using Linux I've not expected anything
new to me to 'just work' on my first try. I've hoped for it and been
surprised by it, and sometimes it happens. But, I'm always setting
aside significant time to learn how to get something working and
update, tweak, or debug Linux to accommodate it.
This requirement plus the practical advantages features found in of
MacOS and Windows are why I think most of the Linux desktop users I
used to know have moved away from Linux. We used to show up at Linux
meetings and it was rare to see a Mac or hear a Windows startup sound,
but now, I'm one of the few actually using Linux.
While Linux in areas like high performance computing, services and
embedded devices has definitely succeed over alternatives, the Linux
desktop marketshare appears to be stalled or shrinking. Other than
personal politics, I just don't really see any reason to use it. Even
in my case, most of what i do is now terminal based or browser based
and I can't identify any GUI apps on Linux that are best of breed over
Windows or Mac.
For that reason, I'm very happy to have programs like Zoom that work
well on *my* Linux system. I recognize they're supporting a minority
of users and that has a cost to them. It lets me be the black swan and
use an OS I'm comfortable with along side other peers who are on
Windows, Mac or phones and don't care about all this politics. We can
all join a zoom and get on with life and that's important to me.
I have empathy for your frustration with Zoom because if our LUG
meetings were in some open source program that required a lot of effort
to get them to work, I would probably pass on the effort to debug it
too. Or I'd procrastinate or wait for it to be fixed. But invest a
lot of time.. just like you I think I'd say nope: move on to something
else.
M
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 08:03 -0600, Davide Del Vento wrote:
> From Friday the 3rd to the day before yesterday, I attempted to use
> Zoom many times, mostly for job-related meetings, but also for a few
> other ones (e.g. music lessons). I missed two work meetings and spent
> an inordinate amount of time trying to fix the issues (I think those
> are now resolved, and might have been their clumsy attempt to
> mitigate zoombombing and the security issues that were made public
> just before the problem occurred). Yet, I am still really angry at
> that company. I initially resolved to not use Zoom anymore at all,
> but then I "relaxed the policy" to give it a try for anything I
> really care about. However, my "policy" is to never ever spend more
> than 90 seconds on each device. If it doesn't work out of the box,
> try another device. It did not work out of the box on bionic, I do
> not know why and I do not care. It did work on Android. If I run out
> of devices, I am just resigned to miss the meeting. Life is too short
> to deal with such a stupid company.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:15 PM Maxwell Spangler <
> lists at maxwellspangler.com> wrote:
> > What doesn't work on Linux?
> >
> > Zoom? I was using Zoom on Fedora 31 tonight.
> >
> > Curious.
> >
> > On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 19:06 -0600, Davide Del Vento wrote:
> > > FWIW it does not work on a Linux workstation, but it does work on
> > > Android
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Dan Mackin <dan.mackin at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Our feature presenter's slides are here:
> > > > https://www.varrazzo.com/psycopg-boulder-2020/#slide1
> > > >
> > > > Dan Mackin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> > > >
> > > > Topic: April 2020 Boulder Linux User's Group
> > > > Time: Apr 9, 2020 06:30 PM Mountain Time (US and Canada)
> > > >
> > > > Join Zoom Meeting
> > > > https://rule4.zoom.us/j/270870919?pwd=UFZpSENwM3ZtbW1CdDZ3WFhiMGhtQT09
> > > >
> > > > Meeting ID: 270 870 919
> > > > Password: uselinux
> > > > One tap mobile
> > > > +16699006833,,270870919# US (San Jose)
> > > > +13462487799,,270870919# US (Houston)
> > > >
> > > > Dial by your location
> > > > +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
> > > > +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
> > > > +1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
> > > > +1 301 715 8592 US
> > > > +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
> > > > +1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
> > > > +1 253 215 8782 US
> > > > 877 853 5257 US Toll-free
> > > > 855 880 1246 US Toll-free
> > > > Meeting ID: 270 870 919
> > > > Find your local number: https://rule4.zoom.us/u/adndnO2Qw3
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jeffrey S. Haemer <
> > > > jeffrey.haemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Go Dan!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:37 AM Dan Mackin <
> > > > > dan.mackin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hey y'all!! Thanks for your patience as I worked up a plan!
> > > > > > We've got a fantastic speaker lined up for our online
> > > > > > MeetUp tonight! ...although maybe I should say "tomorrow
> > > > > > afternoon" as our speaker will be casting all the way from
> > > > > > New Zealand!!
> > > > > > I know we've got folks on this mailing list in all sorts of
> > > > > > different time zones, so for further clarity, official BLUG
> > > > > > start day and time is: 2020-04-10T00:30Z
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DETAILS
> > > > > > - I will send out a Zoom link to this mailing list (and to
> > > > > > the folks that have RSVP'd "Yes" on our MeetUp page) at
> > > > > > 2020-04-10T00:00Z. The meeting link won't be active until
> > > > > > 2020-04:10T00:30Z. I'll have the waiting room feature
> > > > > > enabled so you'll need to be admitted into the Zoom. Please
> > > > > > be patient as I let y'all in and make sure you use whatever
> > > > > > name you'd put on your name tag if we were meeting in
> > > > > > person as it'll help me facilitate questions, discussion,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > - We'll mingle, chat and fiddle with A/V while waiting for
> > > > > > folks to join the meeting and I'll get started right at
> > > > > > 2020-04-10T01:00Z.
> > > > > > - You'll all enter the room on mute by default. You should
> > > > > > be able to unmute yourself at your leisure but remember:
> > > > > > Mute's your friend when it comes to good group video chat
> > > > > > etiquette.
> > > > > > - I'll get us started, we'll do group intros, and then I'll
> > > > > > introduce our speaker for our feature presentation: A live
> > > > > > presentation on how Python and PostgreSQL interact using
> > > > > > psycopg2, the most used Postgres database driver for
> > > > > > Python! We will touch basic topics like, basic Python
> > > > > > objects, interaction with a database session, data
> > > > > > adaptation, and security by avoiding things like SQL
> > > > > > injection attacks.
> > > > > > - Our presenter, Daniele Varrazzo, has offered to provide
> > > > > > the slides ahead of the meeting, just in case we have
> > > > > > technical difficulties! I'll send a link to those when I
> > > > > > send out the Zoom link.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we will have a give away "raffle" at the end. No, I'm
> > > > > > not able to GrubHub everyone food and beer. Logistical
> > > > > > nightmare! I know not everyone likes Zoom. Sorry. In the
> > > > > > event Zoom becomes unusable across the board, I'll send out
> > > > > > a backup Hangouts link to this list (and to the folks that
> > > > > > have RSVP'd "Yes" on our MeetUp page). Oh, and if anyone's
> > > > > > lost on the timezone thing... we're starting at our normal
> > > > > > day/time. Our MeetUp site should list this accurately as
> > > > > > well:
> > > > > > https://www.meetup.com/Boulder-Linux-Users-Group-BLUG/)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See y'all soon!!
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:23 PM Dan Mackin <
> > > > > > dan.mackin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > LUGers! Yuppers... we'll have a vBLUG MeetUp Thursday
> > > > > > > evening. I'll have more details for y'all on the event
> > > > > > > soon but wanted to let you know so as you could keep your
> > > > > > > calendars clear...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking forward to seeing y'all via videoconference!!
> > > > > > > -Dan
> > > > > >
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