[lug] Next subject, please?

[Jeffrey S. Haemer]

Stephen,

One never knows what sorts of things will persuade, in either direction,
but I can offer a fact and an anecdote:

*The fact:*
A POSIX system must have vi -- it's in the specs. Sit down at any POSIX box
and type "vi" and it will run, and conform to spec. That doesn't mean it
can't have a superset -- vim, for example -- but typing vi has to work and
it has to support an internationally specified set of bindings (ISO/IEC
9945-2).

Used to be that embedded-OSs were too small, and RTOSs too specialized, to
support POSIX compliance, but I think they mostly now do.

*The anecdote:*
The relevant POSIX committee -- POSIX.2 -- asked RMS to write up an emacs
spec to include in the standard. RMS refused, saying he didn't believe
in such things. The committee could then have turned to other folks, but
decided if Stallman opposed it, such a standard would never fly.

Stallman, by the way, was the guy who came up with the name, "POSIX"

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Stephen Queen <svqueen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Most of my career I spent working with embedded computers.My brother
> worked on super computers and beowulf clusters. I quickly became somewhat
> proficient with VI/VIM. He on the other hand went to the dark side and used
> emacs. For those who have never worked with embedded systems, no matter how
> small the OS footprint is, there is usually some form of VI/VIM. No matter
> how hard I tried I could never convince my brother that emacs was not only
> bloated, but inferior in almost every aspect. He actually tried to convince
> me that emacs was superior to VI/VIM! As time went by, our discussions
> became more and more heated. I just couldn't see how he could think that
> way. It has caused a major rift in our relationship. Can anyone suggest a
> way to show him the errors of his way so that he will repent from this evil
> and come back to the light?
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:41 AM Maxwell Spangler <
> lists at maxwellspangler.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope you've really enjoyed the recent increase of activity on BLUG.
>>
>> This list, like many other LUG lists, can be pretty quiet for weeks at a
>> time.
>>
>> It's been nice to see people still reading and still engaged in
>> discussions.
>>
>> But its pretty uncomfortable to be on the defensive side, so perhaps
>> someone else could ask a few questions or make some strong statements to
>> keep the activity going?
>>
>> [image: :-)]
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Maxwell Spangler
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