[lug] mandriva 10.2 limited edition 2005

[Michael Hirsch]

Hugh,

I'm glad you found the extra urpm site. Even though the release came on 6 
CDs, it seems like there are still a few critical rpms on the net, only. I 
don't know why they do that--sometimes I think that they just forgot to put 
them on the CD.

I'm with you about there being a "right" way to do things on each 
distribution. Since I now have myself, my wife, my kids, and my dad running 
Linux, ease of maintenance is important to me which means I have to learn 
how the distribution works. I've been trying to do that on Mandrake now for 
several years, so if you have Mandrake specific questions, ask away. I will 
say, though, that I use Mandrake primarily as a desktop and development 
system, not much as a server.

Michael

On 8/31/05, Hugh Brown <hugh at math.byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Zan Lynx wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 21:49 -0600, Hugh Brown wrote:
> > > I decided to give mandriva a whirl today. I did the default install 
> and a
> > > bit more (there wasn't an Install Everything checkbox, which was
> > > unfortunate).
> > >
> > > I then tried to build a tomcat related thing and noticed that autoconf 
> and
> > > automake weren't on the system. I found a mirror that listed them in 
> the
> > > SRPMS for 10.2 and downloaded the source rpms. Then I noticed that
> > > rpmbuild was nowhere to be found.
> > >
> > > Is limited edition really that limited?
> > >
> > > The other interesting thing is that now when I go back to the mandriva
> > > website, I can't find the free download area.
> > >
> > > So, can you only get a sane environment by paying them money or am I
> > > missing something (sane == useful for non-newbie)?
> 
> So it turns out that I needed to add a urpmi repository. It seems like I
> search for about an hour, find nothing, post to the list, and find
> something in 5 minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Somewhat unconnected rant follows. Nothing against Hugh, he just
> > triggered me. :)
> >
> 
> I sometimes have that effect on people :)
> 
> 
> 
> > I've always considered Mandrake/Mandriva a desktop distro. Why do
> > people take a desktop Linux and try to build server software on it?
> > That's trying to do two things (Development, Server) on a distro not
> > designed for that. Sure, you can do it, after enough pain, but whyyyy?
> >
> 
> In my case, I was doing it because I was trying to support someone.
> Someone else installed Mandriva and threw tomcat on it (but had some
> difficulties due to general inexperience). I was replicating their
> environment in order to support them better.
> 
> 
> > I consider Gentoo the ultimate development distro. Compile with -g in
> > CFLAGS and nostrip noclean in FEATURES, and you can debug as deep as you
> > like, with all the source code.
> >
> > Debian or RedHat probably make the best servers, or derivative distros
> > close to those two.
> >
> > I don't know where to rate SUSE since I never use it.
> >
> > But a desktop distro doesn't *care* about building code or running
> > servers. It should be all about the office tools, the video games, the
> > music, the bling and the blang.
> 
> Over the past week, I've installed Mepis and Mandriva (in support of this
> friend) and have noted that each distro has a "right way" to approach and
> do things and found it a little frustrating. Certainly some distributions
> make certain functions easier or harder. I've always just sort of taken
> whichever distribution was given to me and made it do what I wanted it to
> (sometimes with "enough pain"). However, I've felt that this is part of
> what Linux use is about for me. This doesn't work well for the consuming
> masses though.
> 
> In looking through the software that was distributed with Mandriva, there
> certainly is a lot of "server" related stuff (EVMS was in there). So I
> suspect it would work just fine as a server (at least as well as RedHat).
> SuSE also has an enterprise server version that works just fine as a
> server and they have a desktop version that could work as a server after a
> few tweaks (I'm going off SLES 8 and SuSE 9.2 memories).
> 
> I guess I see multiple classes of "server" grade. There's the hobbyist
> running a simple website, there's the financial companies running also
> sorts of db/computation stuff and there's everything in between. In each
> situation, one distro may be better suited than another, but I think
> there's always a good bit of customization at every stage.
> 
> Hugh
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