[lug] CANCELLED: Boulder Linux User's Group - March Meeting - Boulder Linux Users Group - Mar 12, 2020

[Maxwell Spangler]

It also comes down to the fact that the last time there was a pandemic
was 100 years ago, but the last time governments tried to impact our
rights was ... (you pick. many choices!)
It'll take time for a lot of people in society to appreciate the
requiremensts of fighting this virus. It'll cost freedoms, jobs, ruin
finances, prevent traditions and critical life events (like the
Olympics), but we have to do it.
If this were handled right, we've be told clearly what we need to do
weeks ago and we'd see people beyond experts selilng the idea to us and
getting buy-in on it.  Then we'd be choosing to do the right thing and
there would be less objection and more success.
But leadership is something hard to find these days.
Going to wash my hands again because I choose to do so.
M
On Tue, 2020-03-17 at 03:21 +0000, madscientistatlarge wrote:
> No, it doesn't come down to utilitarian VS Liberty, it comes down to
> personal responsibility VS narcissism and acting childish.  You know,
> Like Mr. I'm going to shake everyone's hand.  Rights come with
> responsibilities.  You don't have a "Right" or the LIberty to use
> dynamite to clear traffic jams.  Ability does not = Right, and Right
> doesn't mean correct.  It is just so wonderful to live in a
> narcissistic society!  If you must hide your' head in the sand and
> engage in denial, please don't pull it out.  It's called personal
> responsibility, the same reason you should't drive down main street
> at 100MPH, no one will appreciate such behavior.  Of course the most
> irresponsible thing is to repeat incorrect information during a
> pandemic, and only worry about one's self, and to do so because of
> some "cult of personality" or because one refuses to grow up or
> consider science.  If you don't like science please feel free to not
> use it in your' own life.  I'm ultimately a moral anarchist, but that
> only works at all if everyone is responsible and has their' eyes
> open.
> 
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐On Monday, March 16, 2020 7:52 PM,
> Jed S. Baer <blug at jbaer.cotse.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:21:41 -0600Bucky Carr wrote:
> > > I'll wade in, too.
> > 
> > Oh, what the heck.
> > There will never be agreement here, because the foundations
> > aredifferent. It comes down to utilitarian philosophy vs. personal
> > liberty.
> > On the one side, it's "You're free to take whatever precautions you
> > wishto take to avoid contagion, and others are free to not do so,
> > and goabout their business." Likewise, business are free to make
> > their owndecisions regarding remaining open, and under what
> > conditions they'llallow patrons into their establishments.
> > The other end was stated succinctly by Mr. Spock, as his body was
> > dyingin the matter/anti-matter reactor chamber.
> > Jared Polis is obviously a utilitarian, as well as being enamored
> > of thepower of the state.
> > I agree with David.
> > Well, that's about it. Oh, in case anyone is wondering about
> > U.S.jurisprudence in this regard:
> > https://reason.com/2020/03/11/would-italian-style-lockdowns-to-curtail-the-spread-of-coronavirus-pass-legal-muster-in-the-u-s/
> > Just in case that breaks: http://tinyurl.com/tdal4ju
> > 
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